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Thanks, I'll give that a try.

On 2/28/06, Fritz Borgstedt <fb...@iw...> wrote:
>
> >Just to make it a little easier to find false positives
>
> Just forget that. Switch to numbers as filenames. Use CopyAllSpam to
> see the false positives and report them to error spam and whitelist.
> If it is on the whitelist rebuildspamdb will remove the false positive.
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Thank you.  I don't know how I missed that post.  :-)=20

-----Original Message-----
From: ass...@li...
[mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Fritz
Borgstedt
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:42 PM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta

ass...@li... schreibt:
>Would someone be willing to put a package together for 1.1.2 it would=20
>just make it easier for those users that want the newer features but=20
>just don't want to deal with installing a CVS client and trying to=20
>figure out what they need to do to get the CVS.

I already gave the URL of the packages. It was at the start of this
thread.

1.1.2 b1 , b2,  b3 are all very stable. b2 and b3 have additional
features and bugfixes for a small group of users.

You have to start with b1, because there are additional files and
folders in the package. After that b2 and b3 are app replacement only.



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>Just to make it a little easier to find false positives

Just forget that. Switch to numbers as filenames. Use CopyAllSpam to
see the false positives and report them to error spam and whitelist.
If it is on the whitelist rebuildspamdb will remove the false positive.

ass...@li... schreibt:
>Would someone be willing to put a package together for 1.1.2 it would
>just make it easier for those users that want the newer features but
>just don't want to deal with installing a CVS client and trying to
>figure out what they need to do to get the CVS. 

I already gave the URL of the packages. It was at the start of this
thread.

1.1.2 b1 , b2,  b3 are all very stable. b2 and b3 have additional
features and bugfixes for a small group of users.

You have to start with b1, because there are additional files and
folders in the package. After that b2 and b3 are app replacement only.

Yes:

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/assp/assp/


On 2/28/06, Steve <st...@bo...> wrote:
>
> It is possible to browse the cvs on sourceforge and simply download via a
> browser
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: Ged West
>
> Date: 02/28/06 19:31:21
>
> To: ass...@li...
>
> Subject: RE: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta
>
>
>
> Would someone be willing to put a package together for 1.1.2 it would
>
> just make it easier for those users that want the newer features but
>
> Just don't want to deal with installing a CVS client and trying to
>
> Figure out what they need to do to get the CVS.
>
>
>
> I know I have enough to do with out trying to find a copy of Tortoise
>
> CVS, install it, figure out how to use it etc. It would probably be
>
> Easy but their site is down right now. And then when it is up there is
>
> Always... I am not sure which version I should be using? I have never
>
> Installed it before? Where on sourceforge are the directions? How do I
>
> Use it once I get it installed? Which files should I grab? Some say
>
> 1.1.2 beta1 some say beta2? Etc..
>
>
>
> If someone would post a fairly stable package even if it is a older beta
>
> Version it would make it easier for me, and I suspect, for some others
>
> As well.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Ged
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: ass...@li...
>
> [mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Peter Awad
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:33 AM
>
> To: ass...@li...
>
> Subject: RE: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta
>
>
>
> CVS on windows is no harder then FTP. Get a copy of Tortise CVS and use
>
> The sourceforge instructions to annoymously access CVS.
>
>
>
> If your using a *nix, I would hope you know how to use CVS, it's like
>
> Knowing how to SU root.
>
>
>
> Packages are nice for Point-In-Time snaps of the files, but as I have
>
> Learned over the years, if you want all the latest features of ASSP use
>
> CVS. I can't recall ever having a problem with files pulled from CVS.
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: ass...@li... on behalf of Melvin Backus
>
> Sent: Tue, 2/28/2006 9:31am
>
> To: ass...@li...
>
> Cc: ass...@li...
>
> Subject: Re: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta
>
>
>
> Is there any real reason not to put the packaged version up there?
>
> Relying on someone to get all the bits and pieces out of CVS would
>
> Definitely seem to move them to the "savvy" classification. If this is
>
> As stable as it seems and has been around for 6+ months, it doesn't seem
>
> Like you should expect to have to learn to deal with cvs in order to get
>
> It. Sounds like just asking for people to fail because of a missing
>
> File, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> At 08:26 AM 2/28/2006, Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
>
> &gt;ass...@li... schreibt:
>
> > >Why are the new ASSP files not in the sourceforge home?
>
> >
>
> >1.1.2 b1 is: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/assp/assp/
>
> >
>
> >b2 and b3 are inofficial for savy users to keep the project alive.
>
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-------Original Message------- 

 

From: Ged West 

Date: 02/28/06 19:31:21 

To: ass...@li... 

Subject: RE: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta 

 

Would someone be willing to put a package together for 1.1.2 it would 

just make it easier for those users that want the newer features but 

Just don't want to deal with installing a CVS client and trying to 

Figure out what they need to do to get the CVS. 

 

I know I have enough to do with out trying to find a copy of Tortoise 

CVS, install it, figure out how to use it etc. It would probably be 

Easy but their site is down right now. And then when it is up there is 

Always... I am not sure which version I should be using? I have never 

Installed it before? Where on sourceforge are the directions? How do I 

Use it once I get it installed? Which files should I grab? Some say 

1.1.2 beta1 some say beta2? Etc.. 

 

If someone would post a fairly stable package even if it is a older beta 

Version it would make it easier for me, and I suspect, for some others 

As well. 

 

Thanks 

 

Ged 

 

 

 

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From: ass...@li... 

[mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Peter Awad 

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:33 AM 

To: ass...@li... 

Subject: RE: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta 

 

CVS on windows is no harder then FTP. Get a copy of Tortise CVS and use 

The sourceforge instructions to annoymously access CVS. 

 

If your using a *nix, I would hope you know how to use CVS, it's like 

Knowing how to SU root. 

 

Packages are nice for Point-In-Time snaps of the files, but as I have 

Learned over the years, if you want all the latest features of ASSP use 

CVS. I can't recall ever having a problem with files pulled from CVS. 

 

Peter 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: ass...@li... on behalf of Melvin Backus 

Sent: Tue, 2/28/2006 9:31am 

To: ass...@li... 

Cc: ass...@li... 

Subject: Re: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta 

 

Is there any real reason not to put the packaged version up there? 

Relying on someone to get all the bits and pieces out of CVS would 

Definitely seem to move them to the "savvy" classification. If this is 

As stable as it seems and has been around for 6+ months, it doesn't seem 

Like you should expect to have to learn to deal with cvs in order to get 

It. Sounds like just asking for people to fail because of a missing 

File, etc. 

 

 

At 08:26 AM 2/28/2006, Fritz Borgstedt wrote: 

>ass...@li... schreibt: 

> >Why are the new ASSP files not in the sourceforge home? 

> 

>1.1.2 b1 is: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/assp/assp/ 

> 

>b2 and b3 are inofficial for savy users to keep the project alive. 

 

 

 

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In my environment, I have thousands of users, who often don't bother to
read the instructions on where to send false positives and such, thus
they either do not report spam/nonspam, or send it to the wrong place.

=20

=20

I have done the following, not to correct their actions, but to make
sure ASSP gets taught about most things it misses:

=20

1: enable IMF in ex2k3.

2: download and use IMF archive manager to view the imf archive

3: in the IMF manager, configured the reports to be from an account
where you want to see verification of the email interface submission,
and the TO: to be your assp 'thisisspam' email interface.  In my case:

From: spa...@my...

To: thi...@as...

3: turn on subject tagging in ASSP.

=20

Since I am in a training faze, IMF manager shows dozens of spam every
few min, with usually about 10 missed by ASSP per every 10 min.  I sort
by subject, then select the items that ASSP missed and are obviously
spam, and hit click 'Report' a bunch of times in hopes of teaching ASSP
quickly.  While this obviously does not get the things that both ASSP
and IMF misses, it at least assures that as much can get reported as
possible when you have super-unsavvy users;)

=20

It seems to have drastically increased ASSP's Bayesian accuracy in the
past few days.

=20

Once out of a testing faze, I'm hoping ASSP will have the ability to tag
the subject on all spam CC's, so that I can continue to teach the filter
on occasion.

=20

=20

-Paul

During the first parts of the training faze, where I wasn't still sure I
wanted to use it and didn't want to put our 3000 users through learning
how to report spam until I was sure, I had all spam CC'ed to a specific
mailbox, then sorted that mailbox by subject.  It was really easy to
send false positives to 'whitelist' from there, and delete the rest with
minimal time allocation.  Between that and the auto-whitelisting, and
rebuildspamdb.pl referencing the Whitelist while rebuilding, it should
be cake for you.

-----Original Message-----
From: ass...@li...
[mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Doug Dossett
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:37 PM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Spam quantity and performance

Just to make it a little easier to find false positives.  Though with
over 40,000 emails in there, I don't know how much it's really
helping.

On 2/28/06, Micheal Espinola Jr <mic...@gm...> wrote:
> Why are you using subjects as file names?
>
>
> On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett <dou...@gm...> wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately that setting doesn't work if you're using subjects as
> > the file name, which I am.  But at least I know I can delete on
> > occassion.  Thanks for the responses.
> >
> > On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus <mel...@eq...> wrote:
> > >  Thanks.  I thought I read it correctly, but lately it seems I've
> thought
> > > that a lot and been wrong. :)
> > >
> > >
> > >  At 01:56 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes.  I didn't mean to imply that you would have to manually
delete the
> > > files.
> > >
> > >  On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus < mel...@eq...> wrote:
> > >  I very well may have mis-understood the docs, but doesn't the
maxfiles
> > > setting cause assp to purge the older files as it writes new ones
and
> thus
> > > limit the total number available?
> > >
> > >  At 12:52 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > >  Eventually yes.  But consider that Windows ability to display a
large
> list
> > > of files visually does not have anything directly to do with
ASSP's
> ability
> > > to process that list.
> > >
> > >  On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett <dou...@gm...> wrote: Is there
a
> point
> > > at which the performance of the spam database rebuild becomes
> unreasonable
> > > based on the number of spam messages being checked?   I currently
have
> about
> > > 44,000 messages stored and growing. It takes windows explorer a
good
> minute
> > > or two to even display the list of them all.  I'm just wondering
if at
> some
> > > point I should delete out older messages or if assp can handle in
the
> > > hundreds of thousands of messages.  I realize this will depend on
the
> power
> > > of the machine as well, but just wondering if there is some limit
at
> which
> > > it's recommended to do some deleting.
> > >  Thanks,
> > >  Doug Dossett
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Just to make it a little easier to find false positives.  Though with
over 40,000 emails in there, I don't know how much it's really
helping.

On 2/28/06, Micheal Espinola Jr <mic...@gm...> wrote:
> Why are you using subjects as file names?
>
>
> On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett <dou...@gm...> wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately that setting doesn't work if you're using subjects as
> > the file name, which I am.  But at least I know I can delete on
> > occassion.  Thanks for the responses.
> >
> > On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus <mel...@eq...> wrote:
> > >  Thanks.  I thought I read it correctly, but lately it seems I've
> thought
> > > that a lot and been wrong. :)
> > >
> > >
> > >  At 01:56 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes.  I didn't mean to imply that you would have to manually delete t=
he
> > > files.
> > >
> > >  On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus < mel...@eq...> wrote:
> > >  I very well may have mis-understood the docs, but doesn't the maxfil=
es
> > > setting cause assp to purge the older files as it writes new ones and
> thus
> > > limit the total number available?
> > >
> > >  At 12:52 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > >  Eventually yes.  But consider that Windows ability to display a larg=
e
> list
> > > of files visually does not have anything directly to do with ASSP's
> ability
> > > to process that list.
> > >
> > >  On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett <dou...@gm...> wrote: Is there a
> point
> > > at which the performance of the spam database rebuild becomes
> unreasonable
> > > based on the number of spam messages being checked?   I currently hav=
e
> about
> > > 44,000 messages stored and growing. It takes windows explorer a good
> minute
> > > or two to even display the list of them all.  I'm just wondering if a=
t
> some
> > > point I should delete out older messages or if assp can handle in the
> > > hundreds of thousands of messages.  I realize this will depend on the
> power
> > > of the machine as well, but just wondering if there is some limit at
> which
> > > it's recommended to do some deleting.
> > >  Thanks,
> > >  Doug Dossett
> > >
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Would someone be willing to put a package together for 1.1.2 it would
just make it easier for those users that want the newer features but
just don't want to deal with installing a CVS client and trying to
figure out what they need to do to get the CVS.=20

I know I have enough to do with out trying to find a copy of Tortoise
CVS, install it, figure out how to use it etc.  It would probably be
easy but their site is down right now. And then when it is up there is
always... I am not sure which version I should be using? I have never
installed it before?  Where on sourceforge are the directions? How do I
use it once I get it installed? Which files should I grab? Some say
1.1.2 beta1 some say beta2? Etc..

If someone would post a fairly stable package even if it is a older beta
version it would make it easier for me, and I suspect, for some others
as well.

Thanks

Ged=20



-----Original Message-----
From: ass...@li...
[mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Peter Awad
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:33 AM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: RE: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta

CVS on windows is no harder then FTP. Get a copy of Tortise CVS and use
the sourceforge instructions to annoymously access CVS.

If your using a *nix, I would hope you know how to use CVS, it's like
knowing how to SU root.

Packages are nice for Point-In-Time snaps of the files, but as I have
learned over the years, if you want all the latest features of ASSP use
CVS. I can't recall ever having a problem with files pulled from CVS.

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: ass...@li... on behalf of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tue, 2/28/2006 9:31am
To: ass...@li...
Cc: ass...@li...
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta

Is there any real reason not to put the packaged version up there?
Relying on someone to get all the bits and pieces out of CVS would
definitely seem to move them to the "savvy" classification.  If this is
as stable as it seems and has been around for 6+ months, it doesn't seem
like you should expect to have to learn to deal with cvs in order to get
it.  Sounds like just asking for people to fail because of a missing
file, etc.


At 08:26 AM 2/28/2006, Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
>ass...@li... schreibt:
> >Why are the new ASSP files not in the sourceforge home?
>
>1.1.2 b1 is: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/assp/assp/
>
>b2 and b3 are inofficial  for savy users to keep the project alive.



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>So having a lower norm, closer to .5 is better?

It depends what you want. Call it the sharpness. Less false positives
=> more SPAM undetected. Between 0.5 and 1.0 is ok.

Why are you using subjects as file names?

On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett <dou...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately that setting doesn't work if you're using subjects as
> the file name, which I am.  But at least I know I can delete on
> occassion.  Thanks for the responses.
>
> On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus <mel...@eq...> wrote:
> >  Thanks.  I thought I read it correctly, but lately it seems I've
> thought
> > that a lot and been wrong. :)
> >
> >
> >  At 01:56 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > Yes.  I didn't mean to imply that you would have to manually delete the
> > files.
> >
> >  On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus <mel...@eq...> wrote:
> >  I very well may have mis-understood the docs, but doesn't the maxfiles
> > setting cause assp to purge the older files as it writes new ones and
> thus
> > limit the total number available?
> >
> >  At 12:52 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >  Eventually yes.  But consider that Windows ability to display a large
> list
> > of files visually does not have anything directly to do with ASSP's
> ability
> > to process that list.
> >
> >  On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett <dou...@gm...> wrote: Is there a
> point
> > at which the performance of the spam database rebuild becomes
> unreasonable
> > based on the number of spam messages being checked?   I currently have
> about
> > 44,000 messages stored and growing. It takes windows explorer a good
> minute
> > or two to even display the list of them all.  I'm just wondering if at
> some
> > point I should delete out older messages or if assp can handle in the
> > hundreds of thousands of messages.  I realize this will depend on the
> power
> > of the machine as well, but just wondering if there is some limit at
> which
> > it's recommended to do some deleting.
> >  Thanks,
> >  Doug Dossett
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Unfortunately that setting doesn't work if you're using subjects as
the file name, which I am.  But at least I know I can delete on
occassion.  Thanks for the responses.

On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus <mel...@eq...> wrote:
>  Thanks.  I thought I read it correctly, but lately it seems I've thought
> that a lot and been wrong. :)
>
>
>  At 01:56 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
>
> Yes.  I didn't mean to imply that you would have to manually delete the
> files.
>
>  On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus <mel...@eq...> wrote:
>  I very well may have mis-understood the docs, but doesn't the maxfiles
> setting cause assp to purge the older files as it writes new ones and thu=
s
> limit the total number available?
>
>  At 12:52 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
>
>  Eventually yes.  But consider that Windows ability to display a large li=
st
> of files visually does not have anything directly to do with ASSP's abili=
ty
> to process that list.
>
>  On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett <dou...@gm...> wrote: Is there a poin=
t
> at which the performance of the spam database rebuild becomes unreasonabl=
e
> based on the number of spam messages being checked?   I currently have ab=
out
> 44,000 messages stored and growing. It takes windows explorer a good minu=
te
> or two to even display the list of them all.  I'm just wondering if at so=
me
> point I should delete out older messages or if assp can handle in the
> hundreds of thousands of messages.  I realize this will depend on the pow=
er
> of the machine as well, but just wondering if there is some limit at whic=
h
> it's recommended to do some deleting.
>  Thanks,
>  Doug Dossett
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Thanks.  I thought I read it correctly, but lately it seems I've thought 
that a lot and been wrong. :)

At 01:56 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
>Yes.  I didn't mean to imply that you would have to manually delete the files.
>
>On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus 
><<mailto:mel...@eq...>mel...@eq...> wrote:
>I very well may have mis-understood the docs, but doesn't the maxfiles 
>setting cause assp to purge the older files as it writes new ones and thus 
>limit the total number available?
>
>At 12:52 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
>>Eventually yes.  But consider that Windows ability to display a large 
>>list of files visually does not have anything directly to do with ASSP's 
>>ability to process that list.
>>
>>On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett 
>><<mailto:dou...@gm...>dou...@gm...> wrote:
>>Is there a point at which the performance of the spam database rebuild
>>becomes unreasonable based on the number of spam messages being
>>checked?   I currently have about 44,000 messages stored and growing.
>>It takes windows explorer a good minute or two to even display the
>>list of them all.  I'm just wondering if at some point I should delete
>>out older messages or if assp can handle in the hundreds of thousands
>>of messages.  I realize this will depend on the power of the machine
>>as well, but just wondering if there is some limit at which it's
>>recommended to do some deleting.
>>Thanks,
>>Doug Dossett
>>
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Yes.  I didn't mean to imply that you would have to manually delete the
files.

On 2/28/06, Melvin Backus <mel...@eq...> wrote:
>
> I very well may have mis-understood the docs, but doesn't the maxfiles
> setting cause assp to purge the older files as it writes new ones and thu=
s
> limit the total number available?
>
> At 12:52 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
>
> Eventually yes.  But consider that Windows ability to display a large lis=
t
> of files visually does not have anything directly to do with ASSP's abili=
ty
> to process that list.
>
> On 2/28/06, *Doug Dossett* <dou...@gm...> wrote:
>  Is there a point at which the performance of the spam database rebuild
> becomes unreasonable based on the number of spam messages being
> checked?   I currently have about 44,000 messages stored and growing.
> It takes windows explorer a good minute or two to even display the
> list of them all.  I'm just wondering if at some point I should delete
> out older messages or if assp can handle in the hundreds of thousands
> of messages.  I realize this will depend on the power of the machine
> as well, but just wondering if there is some limit at which it's
> recommended to do some deleting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug Dossett
>
>
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So having a lower norm, closer to .5 is better?

-----Original Message-----
From: ass...@li...
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Borgstedt
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:43 PM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] norm=3D0.8300


>I guess it would help if I related my goal and that is to figure out
>whether I should be trying to get it lower, or higher, and what the
>best possible methods of doing that would be.. or if it is relevant
>at all and I should just disregard?

Lower norm means less false positives. It should be below 1 and above
0.5.
0.83 is ok.

There are different methods to influence the norm.
First is the maxfiles number. If you go higher with maxfiles the norm
goes lower, because HAM tend to be longer (more words) than SPAM.

In my installation the average of HAM  is 8k  and the average of SPAM
is 4 K.
That gives me a norm between of 0.5 and 0.6.
I reduced my maxsize to 4k. By that my norm went to 0.9 and i could
increase maxfiles without having long rebuild time.





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I very well may have mis-understood the docs, but doesn't the maxfiles 
setting cause assp to purge the older files as it writes new ones and thus 
limit the total number available?

At 12:52 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
>Eventually yes.  But consider that Windows ability to display a large list 
>of files visually does not have anything directly to do with ASSP's 
>ability to process that list.
>
>On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett 
><<mailto:dou...@gm...>dou...@gm...> wrote:
>Is there a point at which the performance of the spam database rebuild
>becomes unreasonable based on the number of spam messages being
>checked?   I currently have about 44,000 messages stored and growing.
>It takes windows explorer a good minute or two to even display the
>list of them all.  I'm just wondering if at some point I should delete
>out older messages or if assp can handle in the hundreds of thousands
>of messages.  I realize this will depend on the power of the machine
>as well, but just wondering if there is some limit at which it's
>recommended to do some deleting.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Doug Dossett
>
>
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Eventually yes.  But consider that Windows ability to display a large list
of files visually does not have anything directly to do with ASSP's ability
to process that list.

On 2/28/06, Doug Dossett <dou...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Is there a point at which the performance of the spam database rebuild
> becomes unreasonable based on the number of spam messages being
> checked?   I currently have about 44,000 messages stored and growing.
> It takes windows explorer a good minute or two to even display the
> list of them all.  I'm just wondering if at some point I should delete
> out older messages or if assp can handle in the hundreds of thousands
> of messages.  I realize this will depend on the power of the machine
> as well, but just wondering if there is some limit at which it's
> recommended to do some deleting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug Dossett
>
>
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>I guess it would help if I related my goal and that is to figure out
>whether I should be trying to get it lower, or higher, and what the
>best possible methods of doing that would be.. or if it is relevant
>at all and I should just disregard?

Lower norm means less false positives. It should be below 1 and above
0.5.
0.83 is ok.

There are different methods to influence the norm.
First is the maxfiles number. If you go higher with maxfiles the norm
goes lower, because HAM tend to be longer (more words) than SPAM.

In my installation the average of HAM  is 8k  and the average of SPAM
is 4 K.
That gives me a norm between of 0.5 and 0.6.
I reduced my maxsize to 4k. By that my norm went to 0.9 and i could
increase maxfiles without having long rebuild time.

Is there a point at which the performance of the spam database rebuild
becomes unreasonable based on the number of spam messages being
checked?   I currently have about 44,000 messages stored and growing.=20
It takes windows explorer a good minute or two to even display the
list of them all.  I'm just wondering if at some point I should delete
out older messages or if assp can handle in the hundreds of thousands
of messages.  I realize this will depend on the power of the machine
as well, but just wondering if there is some limit at which it's
recommended to do some deleting.

Thanks,

Doug Dossett

>How does the norm correlate, if at all, to the spam caught/not
>caught?  Here is my rebuild output:
>Found 50782678 spam words, 61185972 non-spam words.
>Generating weighted keys...
>
>norm=0.8300


The norm is the relation of spam words to non-spam words.
In other words 
>50782678 spam words
 are 83% of 
>61185972 non-spam words
.

I guess it would help if I related my goal and that is to figure out
whether I should be trying to get it lower, or higher, and what the best
possible methods of doing that would be.. or if it is relevant at all
and I should just disregard...

=20

________________________________

From: ass...@li...
[mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Peter Awad
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:38 AM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: RE: [Assp-user] norm=3D0.8300

=20

Paul,
Don't quote me on it, but the norm relates to statistical measures and
means normalized weighting. How the number is generated I don't know,
but don't think it's anything simple like spam over non-spam times
message count. I don't think it's that simple.

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: ass...@li... on behalf of "Dickson, Paul"

Sent: Tue, 2/28/2006 9:36am
To: ass...@li...
Subject: [Assp-user] norm=3D0.8300




How does the norm correlate, if at all, to the spam caught/not caught?
Here is my rebuild output:

=20

Found 50782678 spam words, 61185972 non-spam words.

Generating weighted keys...

norm=3D0.8300

Saving rebuilt SPAM
database**************************************************

=20

=20

TIA!

=20

Paul

Paul,
Don't quote me on it, but the norm relates to statistical measures and means normalized weighting. How the number is generated I don't know, but don't think it's anything simple like spam over non-spam times message count. I don't think it's that simple.

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: ass...@li... on behalf of "Dickson, Paul"
Sent: Tue, 2/28/2006 9:36am
To: ass...@li...
Subject: [Assp-user] norm=0.8300

How does the norm correlate, if at all, to the spam caught/not caught?  Here is my rebuild output:
 
Found 50782678 spam words, 61185972 non-spam words.
Generating weighted keys...
norm=0.8300
Saving rebuilt SPAM database**************************************************
 
 
TIA!
 
Paul

CVS on windows is no harder then FTP. Get a copy of Tortise CVS and use the sourceforge instructions to annoymously access CVS.

If your using a *nix, I would hope you know how to use CVS, it's like knowing how to SU root.

Packages are nice for Point-In-Time snaps of the files, but as I have learned over the years, if you want all the latest features of ASSP use CVS. I can't recall ever having a problem with files pulled from CVS.

Peter

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Sent: Tue, 2/28/2006 9:31am
To: ass...@li...
Cc: ass...@li...
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] access to 1.1.2 beta

Is there any real reason not to put the packaged version up there?  Relying
on someone to get all the bits and pieces out of CVS would definitely seem
to move them to the "savvy" classification.  If this is as stable as it
seems and has been around for 6+ months, it doesn't seem like you should
expect to have to learn to deal with cvs in order to get it.  Sounds like
just asking for people to fail because of a missing file, etc.


At 08:26 AM 2/28/2006, Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
>ass...@li... schreibt:
> >Why are the new ASSP files not in the sourceforge home?
>
>1.1.2 b1 is: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/assp/assp/
>
>b2 and b3 are inofficial  for savy users to keep the project alive.



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Is there any real reason not to put the packaged version up there?  Relying 
on someone to get all the bits and pieces out of CVS would definitely seem 
to move them to the "savvy" classification.  If this is as stable as it 
seems and has been around for 6+ months, it doesn't seem like you should 
expect to have to learn to deal with cvs in order to get it.  Sounds like 
just asking for people to fail because of a missing file, etc.


At 08:26 AM 2/28/2006, Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
>ass...@li... schreibt:
> >Why are the new ASSP files not in the sourceforge home?
>
>1.1.2 b1 is: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/assp/assp/
>
>b2 and b3 are inofficial  for savy users to keep the project alive.