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>> Perl 5.10 has been accepted in the unstable version Sid where
>> packages can be upgraded without much notice and break other things.
>> Sid is debians first testing ground before it enters the testing
>> phase and finally applied to the stable version. This process
>> normally takes quite some time.
>
> Then I'm surprised someone would use that release/version for production
> knowing such things.

Yes, but I see it from time to time that people who wants to be on bleeding edge and don't have too much insight on what it takes to run a stable system choosing such a distro. I would also say that it's only slightly worse than running it on the latest Fedora or Gentoo which also tends to get new releases of packages a bit early.

Lars

Lars Troen wrote:
>> I'm surprised they pushed out 5.10 like that considering the number
>> of modules still unsupported.
> 
> Keep in mind that this is *not* happening on the stable version of
> debian (4.0 codename etch).
> 
> Perl 5.10 has been accepted in the unstable version Sid where
> packages can be upgraded without much notice and break other things.
> Sid is debians first testing ground before it enters the testing
> phase and finally applied to the stable version. This process
> normally takes quite some time.

Then I'm surprised someone would use that release/version for production 
knowing such things.

Kevin

Dickson, Paul wrote:
> Is anyone running ASSP on server 2008?  I'm going to setup a new box and
> am considering using that, but want to know if perl works ok in such an
> environment.
> 

Ask ActiveState.

Kevin

Ehh.. thanks?

Paul K. Dickson
Systems Administrator
Frederick County Government, IIT
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Run it on Ubuntu. It is easy to set up and secure.

Dickson, Paul wrote:
>
> Is anyone running ASSP on server 2008? I'm going to setup a new box 
> and am considering using that, but want to know if perl works ok in 
> such an environment.
>
> Paul K. Dickson
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Run it on Ubuntu. It is easy to set up and secure.

Dickson, Paul wrote:
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> Is anyone running ASSP on server 2008? I’m going to setup a new box 
> and am considering using that, but want to know if perl works ok in 
> such an environment.
>
> Paul K. Dickson
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Is anyone running ASSP on server 2008?  I'm going to setup a new box and
am considering using that, but want to know if perl works ok in such an
environment.

 

Paul K. Dickson

Systems Administrator

Frederick County Government, IIT

301-600-2399/x12399

 

>
> just want to downgrade perl from 5.1 to 5.08
>

uninstall perl

and download this :
http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/p/perl/perl_5.8.8-7etch3_i386.deb

then use # dpkg -i perl_5.8.8-7etch3_i386.deb

and perhaps it will rule ;)

Philippe

just want to downgrade perl from 5.1 to 5.08


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> 
> 
> typical assp forum response.
> 
> no i dont know
> 

Sorry to point out the incredibly obvious, but have you tried the debian
forums??


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> 
> 
> typical assp forum response.
> 
> no i dont know
> 

Sorry to point out the incredibly obvious, but have you tried the debian
forums??

typical assp forum response.

no i dont know



Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> 
> bytehd wrote:
>> anyone suggest another headless distro
>> centos?
> 
> I am sorry, you blame your own inability to do things (or at least read 
> documentation) on the distro. You'd rather change distro than to fix 
> your rather minor problem? I can't help you further, perhaps try windows?
> 
> Greetings,
> Jeroen
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bytehd wrote:
> anyone suggest another headless distro
> centos?

I am sorry, you blame your own inability to do things (or at least read 
documentation) on the distro. You'd rather change distro than to fix 
your rather minor problem? I can't help you further, perhaps try windows?

Greetings,
Jeroen

i guess i just wanted to update the ssh stuff and leave the rest alone

the reason i chose debian is that i didnt need X or all the other services
just to run assp
on a pentium III-850

anyone suggest another headless distro
centos?
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bytehd wrote:
> do i really need to?
> it seems to be working ok

Do you really need to do what exactly? You asked if it is possible to 
downgrade debian, it is, sort of. Whether you have a need to do it is up 
to you.

If you are patient, you could make sure that in /etc/apt/sources.list 
the distribution has the actual name and NOT stable, unstable or so. I 
forgot what the current name of testing or unstable is. Then once the 
new stable comes out you automagically have a stable debian system with 
the upgrade.

ASSP of course does not need to be changed at all, since it uses perl, 
an interpreted language.

Greetings,
Jeroen

do i really need to?
it seems to be working ok

not much on the box
assp
ssh
webmin


Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> 
> bytehd wrote:
>> im not even sure how to downgrade on debian
>> anyone know?
> 
> I have done it before, it's possible, but might cause problems of 
> course. Check http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html for example.
> 
> Alternatively you could copy stuff you need, such as /etc /home /opt to 
> a safe place. Reinstall debian, but now stable, and recreate your 
> configuration from the copied /etc. Copy back the rest (not /etc) such 
> as custom stuff in /opt back and it may just automagically run.
> 
> Of course in any case if you have compiled stuff yourself it may break 
> since it may have been linked to higher version libraries than what you 
> have with the downgraded system.
> 
> Greetings,
> Jeroen
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bytehd wrote:
> im not even sure how to downgrade on debian
> anyone know?

I have done it before, it's possible, but might cause problems of 
course. Check http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html for example.

Alternatively you could copy stuff you need, such as /etc /home /opt to 
a safe place. Reinstall debian, but now stable, and recreate your 
configuration from the copied /etc. Copy back the rest (not /etc) such 
as custom stuff in /opt back and it may just automagically run.

Of course in any case if you have compiled stuff yourself it may break 
since it may have been linked to higher version libraries than what you 
have with the downgraded system.

Greetings,
Jeroen

Lars Troen wrote:
> Debian testing is not more unstable than many other distros and is also what Ubuntu is forked off every 6 months.

The problem with testing is it doesn't get updates as fast as unstable. 
So if something breaks it can take weeks for a fix to trickle down from 
unstable. So if you want bleeding edge unstable seems a better bet. 
Obviously for stability, which servers needs, stable (the word says it 
all) is the way to go.

Regards,
Jeroen

> I'm surprised they pushed out 5.10 like that considering the number of
> modules still unsupported.

Keep in mind that this is *not* happening on the stable version of debian (4.0 codename etch).

Perl 5.10 has been accepted in the unstable version Sid where packages can be upgraded without much notice and break other things. Sid is debians first testing ground before it enters the testing phase and finally applied to the stable version. This process normally takes quite some time.

Debian unstable (Sid) should bever be used for production systems.
Debian testing is not more unstable than many other distros and is also what Ubuntu is forked off every 6 months.

More details about perl 5.10 and debian can be found here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-perl/2008/05/msg00000.html
http://wiki.debian.org/Perl5.10Transition

im not even sure how to downgrade on debian
anyone know?
dpkg?



Kevin-107 wrote:
> 
> bytehd wrote:
>> unfortunately debian apt-get update upgrade sent me to 5.10
>> i was updating openssl for the debian cert pub keys problem
> 
> I'm surprised they pushed out 5.10 like that considering the number of 
> modules still unsupported.
> 
>> assp complained about older LWP modules but after updating those
>> readbackwards and another
>> it works fine on perl 5.10
>> 
> 
> The problem with Perl 5.10 is not the language itself but that the 
> modules ASSP uses were/are not compatible with version 5.10.
> 
> I've had ASSP 1.3.3.8 running with Perl 5.10 on win32 since all its 
> modules are compatible, though the Win32-Daemon module is Beta.
> 
> http://www.asspsmtp.org/wiki/Perl-5.10-modules-on-Win32
> 
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bytehd wrote:
> unfortunately debian apt-get update upgrade sent me to 5.10
> i was updating openssl for the debian cert pub keys problem

I'm surprised they pushed out 5.10 like that considering the number of 
modules still unsupported.

> assp complained about older LWP modules but after updating those
> readbackwards and another
> it works fine on perl 5.10
> 

The problem with Perl 5.10 is not the language itself but that the 
modules ASSP uses were/are not compatible with version 5.10.

I've had ASSP 1.3.3.8 running with Perl 5.10 on win32 since all its 
modules are compatible, though the Win32-Daemon module is Beta.

http://www.asspsmtp.org/wiki/Perl-5.10-modules-on-Win32

Kevin

unfortunately debian apt-get update upgrade sent me to 5.10
i was updating openssl for the debian cert pub keys problem

assp complained about older LWP modules but after updating those
readbackwards and another
it works fine on perl 5.10


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> Leaving it on won't cause any harm will it? With the timeout 
> feature in 1.3.9, won't ASSP just skip and go on to the next 
> server in the list?

well... in THEORY the ASSP timeout mechanism should be
able to take care of an unavailable DNSBL; but the problem
seems to lie elsewhere; reading this

http://www.dsbl.org/node/4#comments

it seems that some of the secondary nameservers keeping
up the zone didn't "catch-up" yet, so, some IPs may be flagged
as "blacklisted" even if they shouldn't

Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
>> Leaving it on won't cause any harm will it? 
>>     
>
> No it will not do harm.
>   

Yes it will.  The DSBL group has asked people to turn off their querying 
of the zone until the problem can be resolved.

--Blaine Fleming

>Leaving it on won't cause any harm will it? 


No it will not do harm.

>What controls 
>PB-Message-Score lines?


MessageLog set  or   PenaltyLog verbose

GrayHat wrote:
> This note is for all the folks using "list.dsbl.org"
> to perform DNSBL filtering; the server keeping
> up the "dsbl" zone has gone and at the moment
> the zone queries aren't answered at all; as for
>
> http://www.dsbl.org/
>
> I'd suggest you to remove the list from the ones
> you're using until the server will be back on (and
> assuming it WILL be back on, and I'm not sure
> it will)
>
> HTH


Leaving it on won't cause any harm will it? With the timeout feature in 
1.3.9, won't ASSP just skip and go on to the next server in the list?